Recorded just as the world was going into shutdown in March of 2020, this was a fascinating conversation with one of the great podcasters working today. I was a fan of Chris Ryan's before we were introduced, so it was a real honor to get to be in the guest seat on a show I'd long listened to and admired.

As we embark on another season of Back to Earth’s WILD program, we take a moment to consider the context in which our work unfolds, from long term trends in adolescent mental health, to the cultural zeitgeist of toxic bro culture.